Landy Peek (00:00)
Welcome to the Landy Peak podcast. I'm your host and friend, Landy Peak, and I am thrilled to have you join me. In each episode, we will explore what makes life truly fulfilling. Happiness, deep connections, and self -discovery. Together we'll uncover that happiness is not a destination, but a way of living. Now, let's dive into today's episode.
Landy Peek (00:30)
Hello, hello and welcome. This is your friend Landy and I am so excited to share about some aha moments in my life around happiness research and how attachment theory saved my marriage. So join me today as we're really diving into that one thing that determines your mental and physical health.
long term and it has nothing to do with your cholesterol. So join me as we really dive in today. I can't tell you how excited I am to share this research on happiness.
2024, I kind of hit that point where I wasn't loving life. I was stressed out. I was overdone and there were a lot of stressors in my life. And I'd taken a break so that I could really focus on myself and my family, self -care at its finest. And in that break, really realized my life, how I had created it, wasn't fulfilling.
It wasn't lighting me up. I started looking in my own life. Where did I find joy? What were those times in my day, in my life, in my week that I was really happy that I was content and not just those happiness hits the like, this feels really good. that deep.
and our contentment. It was also doing research on happiness. And they overlapped. When I looked at my list of when I really felt good, it was when I was really connected in our relationship. Whether it was with my partner, whether it was with a friend, whether it was time with my kiddos, that we were really connected, not just spending time, but feeling that connection. And the research found the same thing.
It's all about our relationships. I'm gonna invite you to think for just a moment, how happy are you in your relationships? Now this does not have to be a romantic relationship. We have relationships with our parents, we have relationships with our siblings, our partners, our kids, our friends. Relationships are throughout our entire lives.
And it's that contentment in the relationships that I really want to talk about today. Now, I'm going to be talking a lot about my partner relationship, my husband and I, as the example that I'm going to carry through. I also want to share that I was not just focusing on my partner relationship in early 2024.
I was focusing on the important relationships in my life. Some deep friendships, my partner, my parents, some family, my kiddos. But for today, I'm just going to be talking about my partner relationship.
So how content are you with your relationship, whichever one you choose, but focus on one. It's easier to look at one than try to focus on every relationship in your life.
when you're looking at that relationship, how happy are you inside that relationship? How happy are you with the communication? How happy if it's a partner relationship, are you with the sexual experiences? How safe do you feel in that relationship? If shit hits the fan, is that person gonna be there for you? So in my research, I came across a Harvard study. It's called the Harvard study of adult development.
It started in 1938. So that's in the Great Depression. And it followed a set of young men for nearly 80 years. It's one of the world's longest studies of the adult life. And researchers collected an incredible amount of data on both the physical and mental health of the participants. Now, it did start with just men. It has branched to their offspring.
to their partners. So at this point, 80 years later, it is getting a broader sense of the human existence. And the research looks at mental health, physical health, failures, careers, marriages, successes, all of what goes into the broader aspect of life. And the lessons that they found were incredible, not only for the researchers,
But for you and me.
Now, a lot of the research was done through surveys and interviews, tapping into the human story in their own words.
And the really surprising finding is that our relationships and how happy we are in our relationships have a powerful influence on our health. According to Robert Waldinger, and he's the current director of the study,
the really surprising finding is that our relationships and how happy we are in our relationships have a powerful influence on our health. We focus so much on taking care of our physical bodies. We hear so much about eating right, exercise. We talk about our mindset and our mental health, but
I have not heard a lot of focus on our relationships and how our relationships and the happiness in our relationships are impacting our long term health.
Close relationships, according to the research, more than fame, more than money, more than success, is what is keeping people happy throughout their entire lives. The study showed that the ties that people have in our relationship protect us from the ups and downs. They help delay our mental and physical decline.
And they are better predictors of long and happy lives than the income that they make, than our IQ, than our social class, and even our genetics. Now this one blew my mind.
We're talking your relationships out Trump your genetics. The findings prove true across the board among the participants in the study. Researchers poured over the data, including medical records, personal interviews, questionnaires, and they found a strong correlation between the men who had flourishing lives and their friendships, their relationships, their family, and in their community.
Now I want to pause there because I want to go back and make sure you heard it's the relationships with friends, family and community. wasn't just talking romantic relationships because I know there's listeners out there who are not currently in a romantic relationship.
But it's the sense that somebody has your back no matter what.
several other studies connected through this team have found that people's level of satisfaction in their relationships at age 50 is a better predictor of physical health than their cholesterol levels. Isn't that crazy? It's amazing! How satisfied we are in our relationship at 50 determines how healthy we will be at 80. So, coming back.
How happy are you in your relationship? Our relationships in middle life are better determining at how healthy we are at 80. Marital satisfaction has been found to be protective on people's mental health. people who reported being happy in their marriages in their 80s
said that their moods did not suffer even on the days they had more physical pain. But those who had unhappy marriages felt more emotional and physical pain. So being happy in that relationship is a protector over your mood, even when you're struggling physically.
Those who had warm, loving relationships lived longer and happier, said Waldinger.
loneliness kills, he said. It's as powerful as smoking or alcoholism.
And I think about how many people, especially as we age, struggle with that loneliness and how connection can really increase the longevity and quality of our life.
So researchers also found that those with strong social connections experience less of a decrease with their mental capacity as they aged. Isn't that cool? How much our social connections are really protecting us physically and emotionally, and we're really not focusing on it. At least I know I wasn't.
There's a more recent study by Waldinger where researchers have found that women who felt securely attached to their partners were less depressed and more happy in their relationships. And two and a half years
Isn't that crazy?
this is a quote by Waldinger. Good relationships don't just protect our bodies, they protect our brains, and those good relationships, they don't have to be smooth all the time. Some of our octogenarian couples could bicker with each other day in and day out, but as long as they felt that they could really count on the other, when the going got tough, those arguments didn't take a toll on their memories. For me, this is incredible.
Our contentment in our relationship is helping protect our brains. Aging happens to all of us. Every single day.
And this is giving us an opportunity to change the course of our lives by focusing on the contentment in our relationship, our happiness, and how our happiness is really key to the longevity of our lives. And so many of us put happiness secondary, right? We focus on the success. We focus on the money. We focus on the goals saying, we'll get to focusing on the relationship. We'll get to
focusing on our happiness when we get the success. I know I was like this. When I have the money, then I'll take the time. When I've checked off all my success boxes, then I'll take the time. And I had it backwards and I'm curious if you do too. And this is really where I'm focusing my work right now is on this key to happiness.
we need to put our happiness first. And one of the key ways we're doing this is through relationships. So when we feel supported, when the going gets tough, it's one of the best ways that we can take care of our brains and our bodies.
it's really incredible to think that we put so much emphasis on the role of our genetics. My grandmother is 97. She'll be 98 in February. She's absolutely incredible. She lives on her own. And as I look at her...
I was not queuing into what was her relationship with my grandfather like, what are her social connections like? I was really like, I want her genes. And I know many of us will use our genetics as an excuse. We write off our health because all the men or all the women in our families have high blood pressure or heart disease or whatever it is. So what's gonna happen to us too?
And this is saying, it's not. This is saying our relationships are more critical than our genetics. And the cool thing is my grandmother is a super social lady.
And I think that is so powerful and the research backs it,
if you've been like me and you've been focusing backwards on the success, hoping that I get my grandmother's genetics and not seeing that I have power in how my brain and my body will age by focusing on my relationships, then stay tuned. Let's dive in deeper because this was pivotal in my own personal relationship.
one of the things that I love is that Waldinger said, if you were a wreck in your twenties, you could be a wonderful octogenarian in your eighties. And that's like, okay, so we do have power to change that contentment, that satisfaction, that feeling that somebody's going to be there for you when things get tough in midlife. That's the key to the longevity in your life.
So think about how easy it is to put our relationships on the back burner. It's so easy to focus on the success goals, the check boxes.
And I think even, and as I bring in attachment styles, we write off relationships and how we interact with others, because maybe we didn't have a strong childhood relationship with our parents or caregivers. Maybe we didn't have secure attachment and don't even know what that feels like. And so it's just easier to use that as an excuse and use our genetics as an excuse. Well, this is going to happen anyway.
But I'm saying today, today you get to choose. Today you get to turn and say, I want something different. I'm not just going to keep going down this line that I'm going to be going down.
I want to share a story.
in my own life.
Attachment styles were impacting the happiness in my relationship. About five years ago, my husband and I were seriously looking at divorce.
I want to let you know, I truly believe my husband is my soulmate. He is my favorite person on earth. But we got to a point where we were so unhappy in our life. Our communication had deteriorated. Our physical relationship had deteriorated. And there were some life circumstances going on. This was postpartum, my second kiddo.
It was a rough postpartum time. We lived in a place that I hated and he didn't love. And I felt very, very stuck. And I blamed him for a lot. I mean, his job was why we were there. I wasn't taking responsibility for my part in getting us there. We both agreed to move. It's not like he said, we're just doing this. And I followed along.
It was a long discussion on whether or not we should. I was overwhelmed. I was stressed out and I was a working mom.
I didn't have a lot of supports.
We were still doing things together, but we were not connecting on a deeper level. And the time we spent together, even on date nights, tend to focus on what was not going right in our life. A lot of complaining.
And we got to a point where it really just wasn't working anymore. We were both so unhappy. And we talked about divorce.
it's sad because while we both desperately loved each other, we knew it wasn't working and neither one of us could see a way out.
at that point I was in therapy, truly believe therapy is amazing for humans. And I had amazing therapist who was helping me process a lot of stuff. I was also training as a somatic experiencing therapist. I had a lot of information coming in. And I think that was one of our saving graces. It always been big on self -development and how I can grow and how I can.
Think different to create different?
And in my somatic experiencing journey, I stumbled upon something called attachment styles.
It was life changing. was relationship changing. So a couple of things happened.
I started taking responsibility for my role in life. And I really helped my clients do this because it's so critical when you look at something and you can see that you're not powerless like I was feeling, but that I had responsibility in those choices and I had choices. And that helped shift my viewpoint from being stuck and trapped.
to I did have choices and I may or may not want to take those choices but I had choices.
And then my biggest aha came when I started looking at my attachment style and my husband's attachment style. So I realized, and if you've been in a long -term relationship at this point, 2024, my husband and I had been married 11 years. We've been together 20.
that you may have experienced where you have the same fight or argument for years, different variants, different day, different time, but basically the same trigger. And at that point in time, my husband and I had been in this argument cycle where it didn't get anywhere and it didn't change how I felt and it didn't change how he felt. And I literally could predict how it was going to go down.
And I felt so stuck because I didn't know how to change it. And so this is where I want you to get curious.
I realized when I learned about attachment styles that it had nothing to do with either of us and what was really going on in that moment. It had everything to do with our attachment style and our patterns of communication. So go with me here for just a moment. I wasn't expressing myself in a way that
allowed him to understand me and he wasn't expressing himself in a way that I could understand him. Neither one of us were getting our needs met. And the really interesting thing is the way we were communicating was actually triggering the other one.
So I remember sitting and I was going through all of this attachment style work. And there's, if you don't know anything about attachment style, I'm going to go into it. There's four different attachment styles. And I read about mine and I read about my husband and I'm like, my gosh, this is us. And we happen to have one of the most common attachment style relationships. So it's not like we're alone.
Our attachment styles are how we seek love, support, and comfort from another human. And there's four main types. I am going to reference Diane Poole Heller. I read her book. She's where I learned attachment styles. You can Google her. I have no attachment connection to her. So I want to put that out there. She has an incredible book. She also has a
really incredible quiz, attachment style quiz on her website, but I don't have any connection to her other than I read her stuff and love her stuff. So I took the quiz and back then when I took the quiz and I just recently took it again and it's really curious because my attachment style has shifted. So attachment style, she talks about as a blueprint and this is how we seek out love, seek out support, seek out comfort from other people.
how we connect with other people. our attachment styles are not set in stone. I want you to really hear that. It is not set in stone. Whatever your attachment style is right in this moment, it can change. Mine has. It's also not blanket. It's not like you are all, so I'll talk about the four types. One type, it's actually kind of like a pie chart.
where you have a predominant attachment style, but you can have little bits of other attachment styles. And you can have a different attachment style to different human beings. So I can have one attachment style towards my parents, my primary caregivers, and I have a different attachment style towards my partner. And I've worked on that relationship with my partner to create that secure attachment.
we are wired to connect with people. So when you're listening and you're like, that sounds like me, or you take the quiz and you're like, that's me. If you're type A brain like me, and I heard there is a certain attachment style that is ideal, and then the others are less ideal, and I had a less ideal one, then I'm like, my gosh, I need to fix that. Who wants you to hear?
It's not set in stone. You can shift and change, but also there's no judgment. The attachment style that you have right now got you to where you are today. And while my attachment style, and I realize my husband and I's attachment style, we're clashing together and creating stress in our relationship, it doesn't mean that there's a good or bad one. And I think this is such...
a huge thing in the therapy world where we start to label and I definitely got this message when I learned it.
part of that could be my type A personality and the overlays I put on the message, that there is a preferred attachment style. I needed to have that. There's no judgment here. The attachment style you have got you to where you are. If you're listening to this, my guess is you're a functional adult
who has a job, who has relationships, who may be raising other humans. You're functional. You're okay. And your attachment style is okay. Now I got to the point where I looked at, this is no longer serving me. My husband and I had been together for a very, very long time with that same combo of attachment styles. And it was working out okay.
And most of our relationship was more than okay. It's when it got super stressed, but it wasn't working. And that's when I said, I need something different. So it wasn't good, bad. It was, I need something different. So as you're listening, take out the judgment and get curious. Is what I'm living with right now okay? Or do I need something different? Do I want something different? That's the key.
Okay, so swinging back to attachment styles and I want you to hear, we are wired to connect to other humans. We are also wired to heal. We are wired to change. So when you're listening and you hear, want something different. Your brain is capable and wired for something different. It can change. It can move. It's neural plasticity. It's incredible. Don't freak out.
Like I did. If you're not where you want to be. Right. So I love the language that Diane Puhlheller uses where she calls it a blueprint because we can change blueprints, right? And we have kind of a main blueprints, which is from our original connections to our caregivers. our attachment styles come from
Are caregivers being responsive and consistent in meeting our physical and emotional needs?
Now,
if you're a parent, you're probably thinking, shit, now I'm messing up my kids. Hold on. You only have to get that secure attachment with your kids about 35 % of the time. My guess is you're doing it and you're doing a damn fine job. So don't freak. It's okay. And your kids are hardwired to connect with you.
and your kids are hardwired to heal and change, right? So we're not messing up our kids. We're doing the best that we can. when we have that consistent and responsive meeting of our needs, develops the secure attachment. That secure attachment is that love without conditions. That secure attachment, coming back to Waldinger,
is the, can bicker all day, but I know when the going gets tough, you're going to be there. That secure attachment is, my kids can have a meltdown and yell at me, and they still know I'm going to love them and be there. That's the secure attachment. And like 56 % of people have a secure attachment. So that leaves the rest of us with a not a secure attachment,
when I first was learning about attachment styles, I found that I had an anxious ambivalent attachment style. When I just took the quiz again, I was now in the secure range, but I still had smatterings of the others.
I also want to put out there as we talk about our own kids and worrying that we've messed them up, that there's no judgment for your parents. Honestly, it's not like your parents sat there and thought, huh, I wonder how I can mess my kid up. Our parents did the best job that they could with the resources they had, the skills they had, and what they knew in that moment of time.
And that's okay. I don't want you going in with judgment and the blame game. The blame game ends up with shame and we rhyme it all, but it's not healthy. If we can just say, you know what? This is where I am and this is what I have and go from what we can control and take responsibility for what we can do next.
And that's where you get to bring this in because you get to change your relationships. You get to get curious about is attachment styles impacting my relationship in a way that I want to change it.
there are four types of attachment styles, the secure and three others. And if your caregivers were not consistent and responsive in meeting your needs, they didn't do this purposely to you. They probably have a similar attachment style that they learned from their parents who learned from their parents. And there may be some situational things that were out of their control that played into it.
also.
This is just a relational template that was wired into our brain, body, and nervous system in early childhood. It's completely unconscious. And this is where I didn't realize how much it was impacting my satisfaction in my relationship.
that secure relationship is rooted with the attunement of another human being. It's that consistent responsiveness that we trust that we're safe, that we're protected, that we're connected. Secure attached people seek and initiate and accept repair of relationships. And I want to put a little hold there.
you and I are both gonna make mistakes in our relationships. The key is that we can repair them. When we have a break in a relationship, when we have something that's happened, that mistake, that rupture, and we can come back and say, I'm sorry, reconnect with that other human, that's gonna make the relationship stronger.
think so many times when we're thinking about relationships, we try to avoid those mistakes, avoid the pain. and the research has shown that those repairs, they are important. So we're gonna make those mistakes, but look for how you can make those repairs.
People who have a secure attachment style tend to have a stronger sense of self and respect for others. They're those people that really honor their own needs and they're able to show that compassion and empathy.
They're really comfortable with intimacy. when I first did this, I hit that anxious ambivalent as the majority of my pie for my attachment style.
people with an anxious ambivalent attachment style have experienced inconsistent caregiving.
people with an anxious ambivalent attachment style had inconsistent responsiveness to their emotional and maybe physical needs. This person has had that taste of that really secure good relationship where all of their needs are being met consistently and in a responsive way.
but it's only for a time period and then it's taken away. they've experienced that secure -ness, but they can't count on it. It's the love with conditions and maybe it's you get all of your needs met, especially the emotional needs, when you're meeting the expectations of your caregiver.
And when you're not, that love is taken away.
remember, there could be so many factors that go into why someone's emotional and physical needs were not met consistently and in a responsive manner that they needed.
with anxious ambivalent attachment style, people feel anxious or insecure over love. And they can focus or over -focus on external regulation. How can I control a situation to make sure I'm okay? They have that strong desire to have a relationship.
but it's always in the back of their mind that they're going to lose it. This was me in relationships. There is an insecurity to the love and a fear of abandonment. And with that fear of abandonment, I would break it off first. So if I got wind of that, that love might be taken away. I was the first one to say, well, we're done.
which in my relationship with my husband became an issue because when we were super stressed, I was the first one to throw out, let's get divorced.
which as we go into his main attachment style, triggered him. he had an avoidant attachment style. And an avoidant attachment style, emotions are not safe. They're not okay. And my husband, right off the get -go when we started dating,
If you cry, I'm out of here. And he did. I remember a big argument early on in our relationship. We were living together at the time and I started crying. Big emotions. He literally got up. He walked out of the house, got in his car and drove away. Big emotions, not okay.
It's not that he didn't love me. It's not that he didn't want to be able to support me or to connect with me. He did. It was that the emotions were not okay. Crying was not okay. And so just like all of us, people with an avoidant attachment style, they desire love. They desire intimacy. It just makes them really uncomfortable when there are big emotions.
And so in relationships, avoidant attachment styles will focus a lot on themselves. They're kind of that lone wolf. And they may even find fault in their partners. And there's a lot of dismissing of emotions, which sends some mixed signals.
And so I love you, but you can't cry. I can't be near you when you cry, right? So there's definitely that mixed. Well, here we combine and there's one more attachment style and I'll go into it in a minute. But here we combine my anxious ambivalent attachment style. I'm afraid that this love is going to get taken away. I have big emotions and I'm one of those people that
I want to beat the issue to death until you understand me. So I'm going to continue to talk about this and talk about our emotions and try to get you to tell me how you feel so that we can connect, so that we can get past this. And I'm that little bulldog that is just going for it. There's my anxious ambivalence, right?
I'm really anxious and when I start feeling him push away because I'm showing emotions and he's like, emotions are not okay. So he's pushing back. I'm swinging harder until I feel like he's really pushing and distancing himself. And as soon as I feel that distance, then I'm going to be the one that calls it off first because I don't want that rejection. There's that anxious ambivalent. So I'm gonna say, we're done.
This is it. And I'm going to pretend that it doesn't bother me. And so that was our pattern. We'd get in arguments. I would have emotion. Let's talk about our feelings. He would say, I say we have to. He then backs off further. I feel him distance himself. So I throw out the, well, fine. Let's get a divorce.
And we did this pattern over and over and over again. And it didn't matter the topic. It was the same pattern. And when I realized that it had nothing to do with the topic, that we both really wanted to fix our relationship. We both really wanted to be in this relationship. But we were so stuck in this pattern of our attachment styles that we couldn't figure out a way out. And when I learned this, it was an aha moment of, my.
Gosh, this has nothing to do with us. It's everything to do with our attachment styles. So if we can each meet the needs of our attachment styles, we can get past this and we'll dead. We have a stronger relationship right now than we've ever had in our 20 year relationship.
So this was really key in our relationship. And I want to talk about the fourth type of attachment style. And then I'll swing back to our relationship. So the fourth style of attachment is a disorganized. And this is the most complex. And this is where your source of safety, your primary caregiver, was also a source of fear.
And so it's a really mixed chaotic attachment style.
again would encourage you, if any of these sound like you, or you're just curious about where you are, to learn more about attachment styles. Because it was pivotal in my own relationship, and it's been pivotal in my clients' relationships as I've talked to them about our attachment styles. And it's incredible. Okay, so swinging back.
Our reactions were our attachment styles, not what was actually going on in our relationship. We couldn't get past that same cycle of motion, backing off, flinging, backing way off, and blowing it up.
because I'd blow it up every single time. And when I started understanding the attachment sales, I started seeing the pattern. And then when I started seeing the pattern, I could be like, okay, this is what we both need. And we talked about what we both needed. What would support his attachment style with giving him space, not making him talk through the emotions in the moment. What supported my attachment style was reassurance that we were gonna be okay.
So in agreements to have him say, we're okay, I love you, and I need some space and time. And me saying, okay, we're okay, I love you, and I'm gonna give you that space and time. we were both able to communicate, I needed the reassurance that we're okay, and he needed the space.
And the really cool thing is once we started bringing that into the arguments, it dissipated. We haven't had that cycle of arguments in years. And it's really incredible, but it did take some work and some negotiation between us to really figure out how that would work in our relationship and how we could support each other and still give each other what we needed.
Through that experience, we were both able to really realize and understand and feel connected and that when shit hit the fan, we were gonna be there for each other. And our actions demonstrated this over and over and over.
we were able to increase our connection, increase our happiness, our contentment in our relationship. And as we swing back to the study, that contentment in our midlife is what's going to determine our health in our 80s.
And I want to put out a caveat because while my story is about repairing my relationship and creating a secure attachment in my relationship, that's not what I think everyone should do. At the same time that we were talking divorce, my best friend and her husband were talking divorce and ended up getting a divorce. And so while for my relationship, working through that and
understanding and creating that secure attachment was something that I believe saved our relationship. My best friend ended up getting a divorce. And I think that was the best thing for her because she is 10 times happier now than she was when she was married. So a lot of this while I share my story may not be your story and may not be the answer that you're looking for.
but it's a way to get curious about it. And my bestie is now in a relationship that is supportive and secure and exactly what she needs. So just because the one person you're with isn't what you need doesn't mean that you can't find it. And sometimes it takes repairing that relationship to get what you need. There's no one size fits all answer.
I invite you to think about your relationships, how you feel about your relationships. Are you content and happy? Do you feel if shit hits the fan that someone is going to be there for you? Because that, according to the research, is the true determining factor. It's that feel that you have community, that you have connection, that
somebody's gonna help you pick up the pieces. Somebody's gonna have your back. And if the answer is no, don't freak out. You can still find that. And sometimes it's looking at the existing relationships in your life. And honestly, I was ignoring a lot of that connective piece in my own marriage. But it's looking at the relationships and saying, what can I do to change this?
whether it's a family, a friend, or community relationship, what can you do to bring in more of that sense of security? What can you do, just get curious about it, to create more joy and happiness and connection in your relationships?
Because what we've learned today is that our contentment and happiness, feeling supported in our relationships is one of the, if not the key factors in determining how we age.
And the cool thing is we've got control over that because just like I came to a point where I was so unhappy in my relationship that I was looking at divorce.
I figured out how I could change that. And I have the best relationship that I have ever had in my life right now. And it's not that it didn't take work.
it took focus on the connection, not just the time. And we can do that with all of our relationships. It's really about that deep level of connection. that is something that you get to find
in your own relationships. And I wanna tell you that I am so grateful for you in my life. And I'm so excited for you that you took this time today to do something for you that could change your life in an amazing, incredible, monumental way.
And I want to share because I believe that we all should hear this, that I love you and I like you. And you are an incredible human being.
that you're talented, that you're smart, that you're kind, that you're caring, that you're fun, that you're funny. And I am so grateful that you are in my life.
I wish you happiness throughout your day and the rest of your life. And we'll talk to you soon.
Landy Peek (43:59)
Hey, before you go, just a little bit of legal. This podcast is designed for educational purposes only. It is not to replace any expert advice from your doctors, therapists, coaches, or any other professional that you would work with. It's just a chat with a friend, me, where we get curious about ideas, thoughts, and things that are going on in our lives. And as we're talking about friends, if you know someone who would benefit from the conversation today, please share.
Because I think the more that we open up these conversations, the more benefit we all get. So until next time, give yourself a big hug from me and stay curious because that's the fun in this world.
